Getting reacquainted w/ rifles so I’m out of the loop when it comes to optics, could use some input here. Unfortunately my budget isn’t unlimited, so I’m trying to find a decent scope at a middle of the road price (around $500). I’m only calling that middle of the road because some of the others that have been recommended start creeping into the $1k range. Based on what I want to do I was to look for something with more than 3-9 magnification (once I get confortable again I want to practice more 400, 500, 600 yds, etc.). With that said–any comments/feedback on the following? Keep in mind this won’t be the first and last, but I would like something fair to serve its purpose until I can upgrade (if I even need to). Nikon Monarch 4-16×50 — http://www.opticsplanet.net/nikon-mo…flescopes.html Vortex Viper 6.5-20×44 — http://www.opticsplanet.net/vortex-r…pr-m-05fp.html Leupold VX II 6-18×40 — http://www.opticsplanet.net/leupold-…fle-scope.html Bushnell Elite 4-16×40 — http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell…-424164sf.html I also saw a few Burris and Weaver, any word there? Any feedback is appreciated, and TIA. BetterOnTwo is offline BetterOnTwo View Public Profile Find More Posts by BetterOnTwo Old May 18, 2009, 01:23 PM #2 lipadj46 Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 494 The Viper, Monarch and 4200 are all a step up from the VX-II. If you want a Leupold that will hang with those you will need to step up to the VX-3. I would highly recommend looking at the Sightron SII / SII bigsky / SIII and also the Zeiss Conquests. This is what I have read about Weaver (take it FWIW): Weaver had a change in ownership and quality dropped. I believe they are back to being owned by the original company and are being made by the same Japanese manufacturer as before (LOW, same people who make the elites). I am not sure exactly which Weaver models are the good ones. The ones made in Japan by LOW are the good ones. lipadj46 is offline lipadj46 View Public Profile Find More Posts by lipadj46 Old May 20, 2009, 07:45 PM #3 BetterOnTwo Member Join Date: January 13, 2009 Location: Reston, VA Posts: 15 Thanks for the input, I’m looking around now. Just off hand–anyone have any experience w/ factory refurbished scopes? Only reason I ask–I see one that’s at one hell of a price if it’s actually been refurbished to factory spec. BetterOnTwo is offline BetterOnTwo View Public Profile Find More Posts by BetterOnTwo Old May 20, 2009, 08:29 PM #4 TheShootist1894 Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2007 Location: Putnam County Ohio Posts: 316 Vortex scopes. . . Buy it the Viper has been the best $500 I have ever spent on glass, better , much better than my Leupold VX III in the same magnification, brighter and cheaper, and with options that put you well over $1000 from Leupold! Their customer service is second to none from my experience, not that I have ever had any problems, but they are quick with answers and seem willing to ‘make it right’ whatever it may be. __________________ _____________________________________________________________________ Sturm Ruger-Bolt & High End Single Shot Rifles: Remington-Shotguns: Smith & Wesson-DA Revolvers: Sturm Ruger-SA Revolvers: Marlin/NEF/H&R-Best BANG for your Buck!! Quality + Accuracy + Value = TheShootist1894 is offline TheShootist1894 View Public Profile Find More Posts by TheShootist1894 Old May 20, 2009, 10:08 PM #5 lipadj46 Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 494 Quote: Just off hand–anyone have any experience w/ factory refurbished scopes? Only reason I ask–I see one that’s at one hell of a price if it’s actually been refurbished to factory spec. The only problem with factory refurbs is that you often loose your lifetime warranty. If you are saving a few hundred bucks then fine but some of the refurbs are 10-20% off and just not worth it without the full warranty. lipadj46 is offline lipadj46 View Public Profile Find More Posts by lipadj46 Old May 20, 2009, 10:29 PM #6 sholling Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 1999 Location: A small town in the of the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 4,057 The Bushnell 4200, Monarch, and the Viper are all going to be close optically with maybe a slight nod to the 4200 over the Monarch. Vortex has the best reputation for customer Service of the 3, and Nikon the worst of the 3. Nikon specifically limits their refurbished warranty down from the normal lifetime to 90 days and record serial numbers for that reason. To the best of my knowledge Bushnell doesn’t do that but I’d double check anyway. __________________ NRA Life Member Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill sholling is offline sholling View Public Profile Find More Posts by sholling Old May 20, 2009, 11:34 PM #7 Dallas Jack Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 317 Don’t know anything about the Vortex. I think the Nikon and Bushnell are fine scopes. I think you are leaving off the best bang for the buck scope. The Weaver Grand Slam is well under $500.00 and is as clear and tracks as good as Nikon or Bushnell. I don’t know how they would compare to the Vortex Viper though. I currently have one Nikon Monarch and four Weavers. I like them all but the price would put the Weavers ahead of the Nikon. I also have heard good things about the Sightron line. And of course the Zeiss Conquest gets good reviews. Good luck in your purchase. Dallas Jack Dallas Jack is online now Dallas Jack View Public Profile Find More Posts by Dallas Jack Old May 21, 2009, 01:07 AM #8 .300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 734 Where are the Vortex scopes manufactured?? Generally if optics aren’t made here, Germany, austria and Japan I tend to steer clear…. Last edited by .300 Weatherby Mag; May 21, 2009 at 01:20 AM. .300 Weatherby Mag is offline .300 Weatherby Mag View Public Profile Find More Posts by .300 Weatherby Mag Old May 21, 2009, 01:17 AM #9 sholling Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 1999 Location: A small town in the of the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 4,057 Quote: Where are the Vortex scopes manufactured?? Generally if optics aren’t made here, Germany or austria I tend to steer clear…. Bushnell’s Elite scopes (formerly Bausch and Lomb), Weaver K, T, & V series, and Grand Slam, and Vortex’s Viper are made in Japan by one of the best scope manufacturers in the business. Lesser Vortexes and Bushnells are made elsewhere. All but the cheapest Nikons and the Burris’ Fullfield line are made at an excellent plant in the Philippines. These are all good scopes. For what it’s worth Vortex has been taking the birding binocular world by storm and their Viper binocular has serious bang for a $500 set of glasses. Their $900 Razor plays in the same neighborhood as some of the German and Austrian works of art. They are based in the US but source their manufacturing just like almost everybody else. __________________ NRA Life Member Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill Last edited by sholling; May 21, 2009 at 01:22 AM. sholling is offline sholling View Public Profile Find More Posts by sholling Old May 21, 2009, 01:35 AM #10 lt dan Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2008 Location: south africa Posts: 244 i just attended NAMPO it is the largest agricultural show in the southern hemisphere. talked to the people that imports the vortex. they say it is made in the Philippines. these guys are also the importers of swarovski. i compared the two and the Vortex doesnt do bad at all __________________ “Hunting has two brothers , Shot Placement and Penetration”: old African saying
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