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		<title>Update on the IAR competition</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of days ago I blogged about H&#038;K winning the USMC's IAR competition. There has been much confusion regarding the IAR competition since then.

Dan Lamothe, who broke the news, updated his The Marine Times article and added that it now appears that the H&#038;K IAR has not officially won but is the frontrunner ...


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of days ago I blogged about <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/hk-wins-usmc-iar-competition-big-news/">H&#038;K winning the USMC's IAR competition</a>. There has been much confusion regarding the IAR competition since then.</p>

<p>Dan Lamothe, who broke the news, updated his The Marine Times article and added that it now appears that the H&#038;K IAR has not officially won but is the frontrunner ...</p>

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  <p>With several months of testing ahead, the decision isn’t considered final, but it makes the H&#038;K model the clear front-runner in the competition.</p>
  
  <p>...</p>
  
  <p>The Corps will now put H&#038;K IAR through five months of testing beginning in January and taking place in locations ranging from Panama to the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center and Marine Corps Mountain Warfare Training Center in California, Eby said. The Corps has ordered 24 H&#038;K IARs for testing, said Capt. Geraldine Care</p>
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<p>Rob Curtis who blogs at GearScout (also part of the Military Times) wrote that the DoD <a href="http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2009/12/03/usmc-iar-update-hk-is-not-a-lock/">appear to done a downselect</a>, rather than awarding H&#038;K an outright win ...</p>

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  <p>From what we understand, this is actually a downselect to just one system as opposed to a contract win</p>
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<p>Dan send me an email regarding my previous comments on the supposed weight of the H&#038;K IAR, which is almost identical to the standard HK416 carbine. He sent me the spec document which H&#038;K provided him with. It does indeed list the weight as just 7.9 lbs!</p>

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<p><a href="http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw.html">Daniel E. Watters</a> <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/hk-wins-usmc-iar-competition-big-news/#comment-20436">wrote</a> that he suspects that the Marine command may have been framing the IAR as a partial M249 replacement but in reality they may have just wanted a piston operated full-auto carbine. By procuring what is sold as a new class of weapon they could sidestep the inter-service politics and bureaucracy ...</p>

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  <p>The weird thing is that the HK416 IAR is roughly the same weight as the M16A4, if not lighter when the latter is fitted with the M5 ARS.  I'm certain that someone in Congress will ultimately ask what the HK416 can do that their issue M16A4 retrofitted with full-auto trigger groups can't.</p>
  
  <p>Like others have mentioned, I can't help but wonder if the USMC didn't game the IAR requirements so that a basic carbine could win instead of a HBAR.  The idea would be to gradually increase the number of IAR issued so that they could later justify standardizing on it to replace not just the infantry squad's M249, but their M16A4 and M4 as well.  By framing it as a service-specific supplement to their M249, they skirted the need to argue with the other service branches over a set of joint requirements.</p>
  
  <p>As for winning the contract, everyone needs to remember that Colt, FN, and HK were already awarded Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity contracts for their IAR last year.   An IDIQ contract guarantees the awardee that they will have a specific minimum of items ordered, with the possibility of additional orders up to a specific maximum.  There is no guarantee that more than the stated minimum will ever be ordered.  I've long suspected that contracting officers have been purposefully making multiple awards of IDIQ contracts prior to a final downselect in order to head off potential award protests by the disgruntled losers.  It is my understanding that by accepting their IDIQ award, the contractor only has grounds to protest if the guaranteed minimum has not ordered before the end of the contract.  They cannot protest that they did not receive additional orders in excess of the guaranteed minimum.</p>
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<p>Make of all this information as you will. All I know is that DoD procurement was never designed to be understood by a mere mortal such as myself!</p>
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		<title>H&amp;K wins USMC IAR competition [Big News!]</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After a year of speculation and commentary from pundits, myself included, the Marine Times reports that the H&#038;K has won the competition and that their entry will enter production next year ...


  The Marine Corps has selected the infantry automatic rifle made by Heckler &#038; Koch as the weapon that will replace the M249 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a year of speculation and commentary from pundits, <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/tag/iar/">myself included</a>, the Marine Times reports that the H&#038;K has won the competition and that <a href="http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/12/marine_IAR_120209w/">their entry will enter production next year</a> ...</p>

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  <p>The Marine Corps has selected the infantry automatic rifle made by Heckler &#038; Koch as the weapon that will replace the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon in infantry fire teams, a senior service official told Marine Corps Times on Wednesday.</p>
  
  <p>The H&#038;K IAR “was truly the best in the class on multiple levels and will finally allow the billet of automatic rifleman to be performed as intended without the disruption of the squad integrity that the M249 created,” Chief Warrant Officer 5 Jeffrey Eby, the Corps’ senior gunner, said in an e-mail.</p>
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<p>Despite what is said in the above quotation, I do not think that the SAW is being replaced outright. The Marine Times has at times reported that the SAW would be replaced with the IAR, and at other times reported that it <a href="http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/02/marine_newsaw_020109w/">would augment the IAR</a>, not replace it ...</p>

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  <p>The plan is to buy 4,100 IARs and reduce the number of SAWs in the Corps from 10,000 to 8,000, Cantwell said.</p>
  
  <p>“We are still going to maintain SAWs in the company,” he said. “Only 2,000 SAWs will be replaced. The reminder will be kept as an organizational weapon for when commanders need them.”</p>
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<p>The H&#038;K entry was a modified version of their HK416 piston-operated AR-15 rifle. Unlike the Colt and FN entries, it is said to fire only from a closed bolt. Given the lack of an open-bolt fire mode I had presumed it was the least likely choice for an automatic rifle.</p>

<p>Presumably it is fitted with a heavy barrel, like H&#038;K's previous, and commercially unsuccessful, attempt at the automatic rifle: the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&#038;_Koch_G36">MG36</a>. The Marine Corps has been reporting the weight of the 16.5" barreled H&#038;K IAR as being 7.9 lbs. This is not possible as a standard 16.5" barreled Hk416  <a href="http://www.heckler-koch.de/HKWebText/detailPara/1928/337/4/19/338">weights in at 7.84 lbs</a>. I also think that the photo of the H&#038;K IAR shown by the Military Times is that of a standard HK416.</p>

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<p>I have contacted H&#038;K to see if they are willing to publicly acknowledge if they have won. If they do, I will endeavor to get the specs of the new weapon.</p>

<p>UPDATE: I have written a follow up blog post <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/update-on-the-iar-competition/">here</a>.</p>

<p><em>Many thanks to Mark and Matt for sending me the news.</em></p>
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		<title>Update on the Marine IAR competition</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I missed this article when it was published last month, but luckily a reader alerted me to it. The Marine Times reported last month (Sep 21, 2009) that the result of the Infantry AUtomatic Rifle competition will be announced this month!


  The Marine Corps plans to announce next month a heavily anticipated plan for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed this article when it was published last month, but luckily a reader alerted me to it. The <a href="http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/09/marine_iar_091709/">Marine Times reported last month</a> (Sep 21, 2009) that the result of the Infantry AUtomatic Rifle competition will be announced <strong>this</strong> month!</p>

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  <p>The Marine Corps plans to announce next month a heavily anticipated plan for the infantry automatic rifle, which is expected to replace the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon in Marine fire teams.</p>
  
  <p>“We’re close to having a decision,” said Maj. John Smith, the weapon’s project officer at Marine Corps Systems Command in Quantico, Va. “I’m on schedule to have a decision on the program to move forward. Maybe within three weeks or so, there will be a lot more information.”</p>
  
  <p>Testing is complete, Smith told Marine Corps Times on Wednesday, and plans are underway to make sure logistics, training and maintenance of the weapon are handled.</p>
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<p>The article is not entirely accurate. The Corps will not be replacing the SAW with the IAR, but rather adding the IAR to their weapons mix.</p>

<p>I have covered the Infantry Automatic Rifle <a href="http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/tag/iar/">many times on the blog</a>.</p>

<p>Many thanks to Walt for telling me about the article.</p>
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